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Original von Hudriwudri

Well if you tell me what you want to know??

with the oil its easy get some cam lube and drop it into the engine oil since it contains all the additives that have been taken out lately for sake of making the cat survive, so mostly phosphorus and that zinc stuff adn your valve train is gonna love it.

With the reductions i take it that with all the oil channels of prime imoprtance smoothly rounded and channeled and perhaps enlarged as they are on my head that one can take advantage of some biasing of the net amount of oil flow especially with the higher capacity pump since that was the prime reason i got it for to have added circulation/flow and not for any pressure reasons.

ciao and l.g.

Christian

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What cam lube did you use and how much ?

What exactly did you change on the oil channels ? smoothing the entry ? Do you use the Kedo 50 % oil pump ? What part of the engine did you give more oil ?

I bought the Kedo oil pump and thought about using the extra oil ; enlarge the hole in the bolt to the cil head.
Thanks in advance !

Hi Appelflap!
Be careful with the +50% feed pump, esp. when using an oilcooler
with banjo-fitted hoses (bottleneck in engine:oiltank connection).
On long runs with high rpms, the scavenger pump rate might be too
low to prevent wet sumping. Indicators can be mysteriously decreasing
"oil" temperatures and oily crank vent.

Regards
Sven

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Hi Appelflap!
Be careful with the +50% feed pump, esp. when using an oilcooler
with banjo-fitted hoses (bottleneck in engine:oiltank connection).
On long runs with high rpms, the scavenger pump rate might be too
low to prevent wet sumping. Indicators can be mysteriously decreasing
"oil" temperatures and oily crank vent.

Regards
Sven

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Thanks for your answer, maybe more oil is better for the piston lubrication, more oil on the cylinder wall.

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Original von Appelflap

What cam lube did you use and how much ?

What exactly did you change on the oil channels ? smoothing the entry ? Do you use the Kedo 50 % oil pump ? What part of the engine did you give more oil ?

I bought the Kedo oil pump and thought about using the extra oil ; enlarge the hole in the bolt to the cil head.
Thanks in advance !

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Christian,

Some time left for answering these questions ?

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Original von Appelflap
Thanks for your answer, maybe more oil is better for the piston lubrication, more oil on the cylinder wall.

Yeah, but there's gotta be a little oil left in the tank for the feed pump...

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Original von sven

Yeah, but there's gotta be a little oil left in the tank for the feed pump...

That's true, you need oil for the feed pump, you could pour more oil in the engine/oil tank, for instance 3 liter instead of 2,7 liter.

I wrote more oil on the cilinder wall, what i mean is; not only more oil from the (+50%) oil pump, but also with more oil in the sump the crank should throw more oil on this cylinder wall.

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Original von Appelflap
I wrote more oil on the cilinder wall, what i mean is; not only more oil from the (+50%) oil pump, but also with more oil in the sump the crank should throw more oil on this cylinder wall.

hi appelflap,

definately no good idea, not at all: first, you will not imagine how much power little too much oil in the sump consumes (it is very much!), and second, this is impossible without automatic regulation, because in dry sump motors the scavenger pump always has to be much larger than the feed pump. if it is not so, you will really fast stick in problems. At the moment I've got such a problem with my '42 triumph, and I tell you, it really sucks. that's what sven means: always make sure that the scavenger pump has enough power to dry the sump. AFAIK the kedo pump has extended performance only in the feed pump.

gruß, kohai

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Original von Harald
Kann es auch ohne Ölkühler zu diesen Problemen kommen ?
Ich hab nämlich auch so ein Teil ( Pumpe) seit Jahren drinnen.

Es geht doch nur darum, daß bei Oelkühlern mit Hohlschraubenanschluß der Durchfluß durch diese Hohlschrauben so eng ist, daß mit der 50% stärkeren Pumpe der Rücklauf zum Oeltank (wo der Oelkühler i.d.R. dazwischengebaut wird, was ja original ein sehr dicker Schlauch ist) gestaut wird.
Ohne Oelkühler (oder mit einem mit Schlauchschellenanschluß, also keine Hohlschrauben) staut sich da auch nichts.

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Original von Appelflap

Some time left for answering these questions ?

Uhh sorry have benn quite busy lately
Ah yesss try to get cranes cam lube and i have about one 1/3 d of a bottle in mine since its extreme pressure lube it should work rather fine.
Also there is a oil supplement out by Gm to overcome the problems coused by reduced additives ond flat tappet cams.
you might wanna look for that one too.

About the oil circulation:
I still do run as a matter of fact the old white bros single oil line to the exhaustrocker but i have all the oildrillings in the head nicely rounded and funnelshaped and also made some of the oil passages, kinda like oil porting.

hope that helped sorry for the delay

l.g. christian

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Original von Hudriwudri

Uhh sorry have benn quite busy lately
Ah yesss try to get cranes cam lube and i have about one 1/3 d of a bottle in mine since its extreme pressure lube it should work rather fine.
Also there is a oil supplement out by Gm to overcome the problems coused by reduced additives ond flat tappet cams.
you might wanna look for that one too.

About the oil circulation:
I still do run as a matter of fact the old white bros single oil line to the exhaustrocker but i have all the oildrillings in the head nicely rounded and funnelshaped and also made some of the oil passages, kinda like oil porting.

hope that helped sorry for the delay

l.g. christian

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Sorry for the delay too
Do you mean the cam lube or the oil additive ?

http://www.cranecams.com/index…=browseParts&lvl=2&prt=15

Thanks for the information on the oil circulation ! Did you change the size of the hole(s) in the banjo connected to the oilline ?

Regards

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Original von kohai

hi appelflap,

definately no good idea, not at all: first, you will not imagine how much power little too much oil in the sump consumes (it is very much!), and second, this is impossible without automatic regulation, because in dry sump motors the scavenger pump always has to be much larger than the feed pump. if it is not so, you will really fast stick in problems. At the moment I've got such a problem with my '42 triumph, and I tell you, it really sucks. that's what sven means: always make sure that the scavenger pump has enough power to dry the sump. AFAIK the kedo pump has extended performance only in the feed pump.

gruß, kohai

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Kohai

Nice a 42 Triumph

I didn't mean wet sumping only a littlebit more oil inside the crankcase wouldn't that give more/better piston lubrication ?
Anybody an opinion on this ?

Well, if a little is good, too much should be just right

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Original von sven
Well, if a little is good, too much should be just right

Too much is never enough.

get the red stuff since thats the one taht contains the zinc and phosphorus.
so either the cam lube or the engine assembly lube.
Looks basically like strawberry jam, and is almost as delicious

l.g.

christian

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mahlzeit,

...also irgendwie verstehe ich deine probleme nicht .... ich bau meine dichtungen nie mit irgendwelcher dichtmumpe ein.... ich weiss auch nicht, wer auf diesen schwachmatismus gekommen ist aber hier gibt es ja jede menge kompetenter dichter, da wird sicher noch der ein oder andere wichtige tip kommen ! evt. gibt es ja irgendwelche tollen zusätze, die man dem teilsynt zumischen kann, damit der motor dicht ist....

der techcasper

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Original von Hudriwudri

red stuff

OK thanks